Monday, September 30, 2024

Etc etc etc gets expensive, you guys

HELLO from what will be— for a little while —a regular feature of this blog, which is a Monday post where I whine about money. YOU ARE WELCOME.

My goal is to get a better handle on what I am actually spending in 3 tricky categories: groceries, Target/household stuff, and weekly impulse buys. I kicked this endeavor off last week with a no-spend week, and I am continuing my frugality kick this week (Owala released a special edition glow-in-the-dark water bottle, and I didn’t even click on it, you guys). ** 

New this week: Ben is joining in the fun and tracking his expenses, too. (Yes, we share our bank accounts, but we are both stupid bad about checking in on them EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE AN APP).

Groceries: I got a ton of comments on my previous budget post about how groceries are not part of a no-spend week. I agree because, I mean, we gotta eat. BUT ALSO-- this is a HUGE and really amorphous spending category, and it seems to be the biggest thing between us and tidy budget boxes on a spreadsheet. We are very all-or-nothing people when it comes to spending money. We either keep neat track of everything OR we just spend without even blinking an eye. And when categories get messy, we just start spending and stop caring. 

Household: MOST household stuff comes from Costco-- and we still have it, so I haven't been lately--OR from Amazon subscribe and save, which I never count in weekly spending because it's a subscription.** So, paper towels, toilet paper, ziploc bags face wash, deodorant, body lotion, Cereve, exfoliating foot balm, etc etc etc JUST SHOW UP. But then! There are things I buy at Target every week like household cleaners and seasonal Mrs. Meyers soaps (at least one thing runs out every week-- last week was Magic Erasers; this week I am out of LimeAway for the showers and Pledge, etc), some specialty snacks that are cheaper in bulk there and we don't eat fast enough for Costco sizes (technically grocery? This is why I think TARGET is its own line), random grooming products that I see are low when I clean bathrooms, laundry stuff because Costco doesn't have our faves. Just like groceries, I do a large weekly order and then pop in for more as needed-- as you can imagine, this gets SUPER EXPENSIVE especially when I throw in random makeup items or clothes for the girls, etc etc etc. Tracking the Target/house category over time should also help me figure out how much is actually going out the door there, too.

(The etc etc etcs in the above paragraph are THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A MONTH, I am pretty sure, and that's precisely what I am trying to get a better handle on).

Random surprises: Last Monday, we spent $130 on dishwasher repair (**shakes fist at universe**), and it is good, for once, to actually keep track of these things (welcome to adulthood; you're ALMOST FIFTY) (also the dishwasher is suddenly in WORSE SHAPE than before it was fixed, so we will probably be spending more soon **shakes both fists at universe like the guy in Caps for Sale**). We know that things like Coop's bday party, an appliance breaking, an extracurricular expense, etc, (there is that pesky ETC AGAIN) crop up every single month, so tracking those is also helpful when we are thinking about projected spending. I paid for our holiday card photo shoot last week, randomly— stuff like that!

Those of you who are used to paying attention to your money will be like DUH, LADY, but neither one of us is the person you would choose in your marriage -- or in Monopoly-- to be in charge of the bank. So TEAM WORK, amiright?

Impulse buys: I mean. Listen. This is the ONE PLACE we have been able to stop spending. Does it help? WHO KNOWS. Just this past week, I did not buy a new Owala color drop, the Clinique gift with purchase at Macy’s, Lulu studio pants for Dorothy when another mom told me they’ll hem them at the store, these super cute silver Mary Jane’s from Target, or coffee at the dorm Starbucks when I was observing classes. SO MAYBE? But! Not buying is not the same as SAVING.

**Subscriptions: Ok. I have a shampoo and conditioner subscription that comes every 4-8 weeks depending on when I need it, a moisturizer subscription that comes every 10 weeks, Book of the Month that is billed monthly (but I have the option of paying yearly, and this is maybe what I should do for bookkeeping simplicity), and Audible that’s billed monthly. Plus! We get a monthly Amazon subscribe and save order that always has paper towels and toilet paper and also has a rotating cast of other random stuff from this one kind of tea I like some months to quarterly bulk toothpaste. How would you account for these? Just record them when they hit the bank account? Figure that you are spending x amount of money per week for them? Give them their own category? Lump them in with other monthly stuff like streaming platform subscriptions and not weekly spending? Ben and I argued about this for awhile and didn’t reach a conclusion that makes sense to both of us. I think he thinks most of the stuff is stupid and I should just cancel it, but I am not going to do that and think the subscriptions are better because they save time and a little money and/or are things I really use (the books). Neither of us is satisfied with how they “count” on a spreadsheet. How do you account for things like this? (I could buy hers shampoo and conditioner at Target, for example, but it is $10 cheaper to just have it show up at my door. If I bought it at Target, I would track it as a POS purchase, so I guess account for the delivery the same way?)

Apropos of nothing, some random pics.

Dollhouse turned bookshelf in Dorothy’s room: (she is on the cusp of a room reno, but we are waiting for Minnie to outgrow her toddler bed)

Minnie all of the sudden started playing with the Christmas guys.

FUN BUNS
We made a PERFECT veggie lasagna— it was so good, and you can swap out the veggies for whatever you have (I happened to have the ones in the recipe, but I think mushrooms would be great in a future iteration. I also would probably do thin zucchini circles if I were doing it again— same with carrots)
** I am sort of LOLing at “frugality kick” because we came in $450 OVER our weekly budget, and we spent MORE THAN $500 on groceries (big Sunday shop; local store for coffee, ice cream, etc; Costco for pizza and salad, and another $100 on odds and ends from Metro Market, our Kroger-branded go-to store). Also! In terms of rules of a "no spend" we also did not buy ANYTHING this week (family pics, I guess?). Figuring out the burn cost of our life is... kind of a bummer.


32 comments:

  1. I guess for subscriptions I would break it down by subscription category. Toilet paper would be a household expense but makeup/ toiletries would be in (this is my categorization) health and beauty.
    I track my spending too and I'm always blown away by the grocery bill particularly.
    Elisabeth just had a post about saving money!

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    1. I read and loved Elisabeth's post-- she has such a rich life.

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  2. I track my spending but I do not do it in extreme detail - like I do not go to the trouble of splitting my Target spending into categories. I mostly track spending (using Fidelity Full View now that the previous spending tracking ap went away at the end of the year last year) for observational purposes. We are very very lucky to live really really really below our means so we aren't changing our behavior or choices based on the spending data. So my thought is that you should figure out if this exercise is for observational purposes or because you want to change a behavior. If you want to change a behavior, then more details tracking would be helpeful. But observational might help you figure out ways to cut back. Like 10+ years ago, I had slipped into buying a latte nearly every day (because I was at a terrible job and it was a way i treated myself every day). I knew I was spending way too much on coffee so I made a firm rule of only buying 1 coffee out/week. And I have stuck to that ever since (with the exception of my 2020 pregnancy with Taco when I bought latte every day for the final trimester because it was a treat I could have on my gestational diabetes diet and dear Lord did I need a treat to get through the pandy pregnancy).

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    1. GOOD FRAME!!! Yes, this is observational with a goal of increasing savings/being less wasteful generally

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    2. Anonymous12:31 PM

      for increasing savings, is it possible to automate it out of your pay rather than trying to do it from money left over after spending? the former tends to work better for me.

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    3. Yes— this is good— I think we do this but then also have all these aspirations of leftovers LOL

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  3. We are much the same as you, which is not the greatest. We were lucky with stock options around the time we got married and then we had Angus so we got out at a really good time, and that's been a lifesaver. The past few years with university and rent costs have been a bit ouchy, AND ALSO I felt like we were saving so much money by not going anywhere during the pandemic, but apparently that was not quite the case? It is SO EASY to spend money on stupid stuff, so I think what you're doing is super smart, but yeah, feeding all those kids is never going to be cheap. I think the subscriptions that save money and your sanity by not letting those things run out are a great idea, but would be tough to track.

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    1. SO EASY TO SPEND MONEY ON STUPID STUFF is the story of my life.

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  4. It made total sense to me last week when you responded to my comment by saying you aren't necessarily trying to spend LESS, at this moment, but you are trying to figure out what Normal Cost of Living is, and I am now super curious about that for my family.

    Target "extra stops" are so expensive. This morning I spent $65 because I went there for more magnesium and while I was there decided to buy birthday cards (which are SO EXPENSIVE) and some additional gym clothes for my kid. Bam. $65.

    I feel like there are so many ways to divvy up a budget, but when you factor in all the subscriptions, maybe it's easiest just to look at an entire year rather than going month by month? I don't know. That's a long time of tracking without acting, but maybe that's okay.

    Also, GO YOU for not buying those things! I feel that so much -- like, asceticism as a means of saving. Whenever I exercise self-control like that, I tend to text my husband so I get the little dopamine hit of praise he gives me, LOL.

    (Currently, I have been self-controlling my way out of buying the magical face cream you mentioned a million years ago that I am purposely not remembering the name of because I think it was around $300. Did I then spend $130 on an eye cream? Yes. But I have not spent the $300!) (I am still thinking about it, though.)

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    1. Anonymous12:32 PM

      if you go to trader joe's, they have the cheapest cards and they are cute! but if you don't usually go to trader joe's, don't add a stop just for this because you'll find other fun stuff to buy and wind up spending more than you save (or maybe that's just me, lol).

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    2. LOL-- I also find much to add to my cart at TJ'a but I agree about the cards. I have a really pretty fall card that I actually framed and stick on a shelf every November.

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  5. My head is spinning thinking of how to classify all the spending. My dad is an accountant - his work title was actually controller, and let's just say that FIT. He knew where every dollar went. I do NOT, and if he knew that his head would explode. But! I am very thrifty and only buy things when we run out. I almost never go to Target. I buy stuff at Costco and the grocery store. I do use Amazon, but typically that's reserved for Curly's hair products - cray cray $$$, and random stuff like vitamins for me or specific WD-40 for a garage door, etc.

    Good luck figuring it all out. Spreadsheets give me hives. One more reason that I should never have been a business major.

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    1. For me, categories are key. When we were really young, we did Dave Ramsey's envelopes for a few month and saved a ridiculous amount of money.

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  6. SO much interesting stuff in this post. We budget by category no matter where it's from/how it's procured. So soap via amazon or soap via target is "household goods". (Yes sometimes i let things slide like if i buy cleaners at publix with the groceries I'll leave that in groceries, but in general). I am very good at tracking things (we use YNAB and then an excel sheet for net worth calcs) but I do very much enjoy spending. Not in the same way as you guys I don't think - our two big drains are more like "yes, let's take this slightly ridiculous vacation" or (admittedly very, very large part of our budget) private school. we do have a google sheet where we have all of our subscriptions listed so we can decide if we still want them.

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    1. I guess my beef with product subscriptions is that they should not "count" in my variable weekly pending category, but Ben thinks they should. I need a subscription category I guess (everything feels messy that way to me-- TV is not the same as paper towels?)

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  7. oh! and the only way I know to save $ on groceries is to go to Trader Joe's. Usually can get what we need there for $100-150 less than regular grocery store.

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    1. This is wild to me - we spend WAY more when we go to TJ's because we end up buying snacks and prepared food that we wouldn't get at the regular store! Also it's right next to a great lunch spot haha. Groceries are so individual by family.

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    2. I find that my groceries always cost about the same (within maybe 30 bucks) no matter where I go or what combo of stores I hit. Obviously, the weeks I also go to Costco to stock up on things is more expensive, but then the other weeks right after that are a bit cheaper, so it evens out. I love using my Kroger app, using my Aldi app, and looking at my Whole Foods orders on Amazon for this historical data LOL

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    3. so interesting, @postscript!! Our main grocery chain in FL is Publix and I CANNOT, CANNOT get out of there on a weekly shop for under $350, BOGOs or not. The problem might actually be that Publix is so $$$ not that TJs is such an immense bargain. (I have found that sometimes even Whole Foods can be cheaper than Publix . . .)

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  8. mbmom1112:06 PM

    I used to track our budget and every dollar had a purpose. I had a "miscellaneous" category for things like household goods and subscribe and save items. However, as time went on, I realized I just kept chucking Walmart as food and Target as miscellaneous regardless of what I bought. And do meals out count as food or entertainment? So much for details! And then we started paying for colleges so it didn't matter what we saved - it just went to the schools. ;)
    I think as long as you observe what you are spending, you'll figure out where you can cut back. I would also suggest you watch for food waste - the things that get lost in the back of the fridge, the extra you make that no one eats, the food no one really liked. Making smaller meals you use up can be thrifty if you're not good about using leftovers.
    Good luck figuring it out!

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    1. food waste is really bothering me lately-- this is a good point

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  9. I have given up on tracking things exactly. Yes, sometimes I buy Liquid Plumbr and Swiffer at the grocery store and it just gets labelled under groceries instead of household. I just do the best I can. If I had a bunch of subscriptions, I'd just create a category called subscriptions and be done with it.

    You know how I avoid expensive trips to Target? I don't go to Target. LOL. I just looked on my spreadsheet and I've spent $4 at Target in 2024 for some St. Patrick's Day stickers. For me that's really the thing. The only stores I regularly go to are Costco and Woodman's, so I don't do a ton of extraneous shopping and everything else is carefully considered. But also maybe I'm doing this adulting correctly.

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  10. I have so many thoughts and it would be a ridiculous comment so I'll TRY to keep this short and limited to a few points.
    1) If you don't need to reign in spending for any reason, don't stress about it. I'm frugal because I like to be, but if you're not accruing credit card debt or eating into retirement savings - money is there to be spent. I like to be fiscally lean, but that's a preference.
    2) I do not track things closely AT ALL. I have a bunch of categories but, like NGS, if I buy TP at the grocery store, it goes under groceries. If I buy it at Walmart, it's Misc (that's where Walmart and the DollarStore go). I like to see how much money comes in and goes out and I have a rough estimate of each category, but splitting hairs does NOT sound fun to me.

    I don't have Target, and I generally dislike shopping. I also hate spending money, so I'm not tempted to buy impulse things very often. More often, I put off buying things I actually need because I just...don't like spending.

    That said, goodness things add up fast. Extracurriculars. Gas. School fees. House insurance. There always seems to be some bill!

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    1. EXPENSES ADD UP!! And! I am just... sick of waste. Food waste. Having too much junk. Kids outgrowing clothes before they wear them-- the list goes on and on and on.

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  11. I find that ordering stuff online at Target saves us money because I see the running total and will prune the cart before checkout. I'm also way less likely to get impulse things. Also, "shopping" with a 2 and 3 year old is a huge money saver because we basically can't buy anything before we have to have the store ...

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  12. Anonymous9:31 PM

    If you're trying to control your spending I think you already know the answer--its right here in your post. Don't pop in for stuff! (especially Target!!). One weekly order per store and that's it. Your kids can eke out the last bits of conditioner for 2 days, or use up an old hotel sample if they run out early. Shopping a dopamine hit and having to make tons and tons of self-control decisions (ie, walking through target) wears you down.
    I find that I don't have to do much budgeting as long as I limit how often I go into stores.

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  13. I'm sure there are people reading this, who keep strict accounts and stay on a budget, who might be horrified, but I am not one of them! I just generally try to spend as little as possible, but my husband and I are not organized about our budget. It makes it even more complicated that neither one of us earns the same amount of money from month to month. I know there's a way to get things under control, if we really sat down and looked at our yearly income and went from there... but we don't seem able to do it.
    Good luck!

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  14. We also are not organized about our spending. We need paper towels and toilet paper and food, and I will spend more to get the eggs I like instead of the cheapest. Having said that, if you are trying to track spending, you have to be honest with yourself and include those subscription purchases. That way you can examine it all after a couple of months and decide whether you can make cuts or not. Maybe you can, maybe you cannot. Kids in college is SPENDY, right? Ugh. (I mean, YAY!)

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  15. Your spending give me hives. LOL How do you sleep at night? (Just kidding.) We track our spending meticulously and I do split out all our expenses in categories, which I do understand doesn't work for everyone (and I could see how that would be too time-intensive for you) but it's helpful if you really want to know where you can curb your spending.

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